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	<title>Comments on: Characters: White Court Vampire</title>
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		<title>By: gaelvin</title>
		<link>http://www.dresdenfilesrpg.com/2009/05/25/wcv/comment-page-1/#comment-5602</link>
		<dc:creator>gaelvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, its all about Aspects. Even True Love should be reflected by some kind of Aspect, which the character could Invoke under the proper circumstances (or use as a Compel against the Vampire). That way, the character&#039;s actions are backed-up by game mechanics, rather than player (or GM) fiat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, its all about Aspects. Even True Love should be reflected by some kind of Aspect, which the character could Invoke under the proper circumstances (or use as a Compel against the Vampire). That way, the character&#8217;s actions are backed-up by game mechanics, rather than player (or GM) fiat.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew C</title>
		<link>http://www.dresdenfilesrpg.com/2009/05/25/wcv/comment-page-1/#comment-5600</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the rpg, it lists the True Weaknesses as Love (well, we have textual support for that!), Hope (to counter the Despair-munchers), and Courage (in the face of delicious fear). I can see how to use Love in game, but not the other two.

A Player can reasonably state &quot;I know I&#039;m down to my last fate point, but I&#039;m staying here and staring down the Skavis and thus exhibiting True Courage! He recoils, right?&quot; and leave the poor GM feeling like a jerk for saying &quot;Uh, no, that&#039;s just reg&#039;lar courage; he eats your face and you die, gibbering.&quot; (The GM /is/ a jerk for pressing the player that hard; let&#039;s assume it&#039;s not as anticlimactic as this sounds!)

I think the problem is one of obviousness: When confronted by a creature out of nightmare, PCs will often confront them, just as a matter of rote. If the only thing that decides whether this is True or regular Courage is whether the GM is avoiding a TPK, I feel like there&#039;s something wrong.

Hope is a bit better; the usual reaction of a PC to despair isn&#039;t despondency but rather kicking the first available ass that detects as Evil. Still, I&#039;m not sure what would actually establish an act as reeking of True Hope. And I think CLAVDIVS has a /good/ idea that this should probably be &quot;Faith&quot;, not &quot;Hope&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the rpg, it lists the True Weaknesses as Love (well, we have textual support for that!), Hope (to counter the Despair-munchers), and Courage (in the face of delicious fear). I can see how to use Love in game, but not the other two.</p>
<p>A Player can reasonably state &#8220;I know I&#8217;m down to my last fate point, but I&#8217;m staying here and staring down the Skavis and thus exhibiting True Courage! He recoils, right?&#8221; and leave the poor GM feeling like a jerk for saying &#8220;Uh, no, that&#8217;s just reg&#8217;lar courage; he eats your face and you die, gibbering.&#8221; (The GM /is/ a jerk for pressing the player that hard; let&#8217;s assume it&#8217;s not as anticlimactic as this sounds!)</p>
<p>I think the problem is one of obviousness: When confronted by a creature out of nightmare, PCs will often confront them, just as a matter of rote. If the only thing that decides whether this is True or regular Courage is whether the GM is avoiding a TPK, I feel like there&#8217;s something wrong.</p>
<p>Hope is a bit better; the usual reaction of a PC to despair isn&#8217;t despondency but rather kicking the first available ass that detects as Evil. Still, I&#8217;m not sure what would actually establish an act as reeking of True Hope. And I think CLAVDIVS has a /good/ idea that this should probably be &#8220;Faith&#8221;, not &#8220;Hope&#8221;.</p>
<p>Advice?</p>
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		<title>By: gaelvin</title>
		<link>http://www.dresdenfilesrpg.com/2009/05/25/wcv/comment-page-1/#comment-5083</link>
		<dc:creator>gaelvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. Then tie that all in to the City and its themes, and you could go for miles and miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. Then tie that all in to the City and its themes, and you could go for miles and miles.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-5072&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@gaelvin&lt;/a&gt; -- Right. But then you have the fun of introducing the guy who&#039;s *genuine*. Our anti-hero WCV goes to feed on him and can&#039;t -- and maybe even gets burned trying. It&#039;s a great setup to play with stereotype and reversed expectation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-5072" rel="nofollow">@gaelvin</a> &#8212; Right. But then you have the fun of introducing the guy who&#8217;s *genuine*. Our anti-hero WCV goes to feed on him and can&#8217;t &#8212; and maybe even gets burned trying. It&#8217;s a great setup to play with stereotype and reversed expectation.</p>
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		<title>By: gaelvin</title>
		<link>http://www.dresdenfilesrpg.com/2009/05/25/wcv/comment-page-1/#comment-5072</link>
		<dc:creator>gaelvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 05:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tele-vangelists would make great fodder in that scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tele-vangelists would make great fodder in that scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://www.dresdenfilesrpg.com/2009/05/25/wcv/comment-page-1/#comment-5067</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-5066&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Stoak&lt;/a&gt;, in my game that wouldn&#039;t work, because I tend to think about what a White Court Vampire&#039;s inner demon -- an evil, people-eating monster, keep in mind -- would find tasty. Dark emotions are where it&#039;s at, for that. Truly positive, faith-and-hope-and-love type stuff would be sour, or worse, toxic.

That said, I could see a spin on what you&#039;re talking about, where the WCV in question feeds on *hubris*.  He doesn&#039;t go after congregations -- he goes after charlatans that preach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-5066" rel="nofollow">@Stoak</a>, in my game that wouldn&#8217;t work, because I tend to think about what a White Court Vampire&#8217;s inner demon &#8212; an evil, people-eating monster, keep in mind &#8212; would find tasty. Dark emotions are where it&#8217;s at, for that. Truly positive, faith-and-hope-and-love type stuff would be sour, or worse, toxic.</p>
<p>That said, I could see a spin on what you&#8217;re talking about, where the WCV in question feeds on *hubris*.  He doesn&#8217;t go after congregations &#8212; he goes after charlatans that preach.</p>
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		<title>By: Stoak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stoak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Fred I got a question here My roommate and I are working on city creation and he suggested an idea, A White Court vampire who is a strong believer in The White God and feeds on religious ecstasy attends services at some big time holly roller church like the AME Baptist or Pentecostals imagine him in the crowd at James Browns church in the &quot;Blues Brothers&quot; the description is strong emotion do those emotions have to be dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Fred I got a question here My roommate and I are working on city creation and he suggested an idea, A White Court vampire who is a strong believer in The White God and feeds on religious ecstasy attends services at some big time holly roller church like the AME Baptist or Pentecostals imagine him in the crowd at James Browns church in the &#8220;Blues Brothers&#8221; the description is strong emotion do those emotions have to be dark.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://www.dresdenfilesrpg.com/2009/05/25/wcv/comment-page-1/#comment-4526</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4525&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Psy-Kosh&lt;/a&gt;, yeah, hmmm. I&#039;d walk away from that reading deciding that the text is inconclusive on the matter. It&#039;s not mentioned one way or the other, really, and Jim has given furtive looks when asked about the complexities of the relationship with Justine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-4525" rel="nofollow">@Psy-Kosh</a>, yeah, hmmm. I&#8217;d walk away from that reading deciding that the text is inconclusive on the matter. It&#8217;s not mentioned one way or the other, really, and Jim has given furtive looks when asked about the complexities of the relationship with Justine.</p>
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		<title>By: Psy-Kosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psy-Kosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4522&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@fred&lt;/a&gt; 
Whoops, hit submit too soon. I mean, I don&#039;t recall anything about WCVs getting burned from touching Thomas. (After all, him and Justine love each other, but it seems other WCVs only get burned from Justine, with no mention of being unable to touch Thomas. Or do I misremember something from the books?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-4522" rel="nofollow">@fred</a><br />
Whoops, hit submit too soon. I mean, I don&#8217;t recall anything about WCVs getting burned from touching Thomas. (After all, him and Justine love each other, but it seems other WCVs only get burned from Justine, with no mention of being unable to touch Thomas. Or do I misremember something from the books?)</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4523&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Psy-Kosh&lt;/a&gt;, yes, the monsters, i.e., 99% of &#039;em, the not-Thomases. It&#039;s not in their monstrous nature to love, therefore, moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-4523" rel="nofollow">@Psy-Kosh</a>, yes, the monsters, i.e., 99% of &#8216;em, the not-Thomases. It&#8217;s not in their monstrous nature to love, therefore, moot.</p>
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