Comments on: Old World Order: The White Council

By: fred

fred — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:04:38 +0000

@Roger – Ah, yes. I see. They’re definitely safe.

Outsiders are from outside of all creation — including the Nevernever. I have the distinct understanding that angels and their ilk are inside it.

By: Roger

Roger — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:50:56 +0000

Just wondering if Mike Carpenter and his ilk had anything to worry about. Thanks.

By: fred

fred — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:31:51 +0000

@Roger, I have no idea, but I doubt it.

By: Roger

Roger — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:30:35 +0000

For the purposes of Rule Seven, does “God” count as an Outsider?

By: fred

fred — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:49:52 +0000

@Roger -- And you could read it as travel backwards is illegal. Going forward in time faster than normal seems to be an edge case, since that's not (as the actual wording goes) "swimming against the flow of time".

By: Roger

Roger — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:29:34 +0000

Holy moly, time travel is just illegal? That implies it’s at least technically possible… so, so sweet.

By: fred

fred — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:32:11 +0000

@CLAVDIVS, discussion with Jim has revealed that that's a gray area. I think it falls under binding another against its will, but many faeries don't have anything like free will, so I think this is a case of the enforcement of the Laws being broader than the "spiritual reality" of them. Morgan was looking for an excuse to scare Harry, and Wardens are all too happy to split hairs (with their swords) when they don't think someone's liable to reform.

By: CLAVDIVS

CLAVDIVS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:44:52 +0000

Looking at the summary of the Laws of Magic up above, I seem to recall from Storm Front that controlling a non-human being via its true name was a violation (Morgan accused Harry of doing so to Toot, and he refused to bind Sells’ demon in the same way). Which law does that fall under? Mind control, maybe?

Also, at least two laws (the first and fifth) only seem to apply when used on humans. Do any others have similar exceptions?

By: Sean

Sean — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:48:57 +0000

Excellent thought and direction on that, Fred. I was thinking, essentially, that it’d just be a “character” by another name.

By: fred

fred — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:18:26 +0000

@Sean, no we're not doing the organization creation stuff. I think that sort of thing could be grafted on pretty easily, but the Dresdenverse seems to be a lot about the action of individuals, with organizations as an extension of them. So I'd be inclined to say, for DF, give the organization a "face", and stat whoever that is.